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Lies about guns in post offices!

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Phony make beleive laws? Yes they make them up!

When government rulers want you to do something they will often just MAKE UP LAWS and then demand that you obey the make believe law!

I discovered this a long time ago when I found a sign at a Phoenix park claiming it was illegal to have shopping carts in the park.

The sign said something like

No shopping carts are allowed in this park
per Phoenix city code xxx
I went down to the library and looked up the law and I was amazed to see that the law didn’t even mention shopping carts. The law said something to the effect that

Bicycles, skateboards and other wheeled devices are not allowed to be operated in the park in a reckless manner.

Of course what happened was some government bureaucrat in the Phoenix Parks department who hated homeless people just made up the law and posted it.

About the most you could say about the laws is that since shopping carts are wheeled devices it is illegal to operate then in the park in a reckless manner.

Of course the law didn’t mention a word about operating shopping carts in a reckless manner. It just lied and said flat out that

“shopping carts were illegal”
in the park.

Alan Korwin exposes the lie that guns are illegal in post offices

I made a comment on the Arizona RKBA about the law banning guns in post offices and said that it was unconstitutional.

Alan Korwin corrected me and told me that I was wrong about such a law existing. He said there is no such law. He said post offices intentionally posts a sign that makes it look like there is such a law to keep people from bringing guns into the post office, but there is no such law. Her are Alan Korwin comments.


From: Alan Korwin alan@GUNLAWS.COM
To: AZRKBA@ASU.EDU
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:06 PM
Subject He had a gun so he must be a criminal - NOT
This ticks me off no end. Some people on the AZRKBA list have the Post Office and federal building thing about firearms all wrong.

Can't blame them, just like the rest of the public. Government agents perpetuate the myth, and falsely accuse people constantly.

Here is the rest of what Alan Korwin said about the government lies


The new Lake Mead notice, and similar "official" notices related to the National Parks CCW easement, quotes the law BUT leaves out the part of the law that matters (to we the people at least). Just like the P.O.s do. The Lake Mead posting shows the law with only two paragraphs, (a) and (b).

How disgraceful. How dishonest. How worthy of arrest for fraud perpetrated on the public and discrimination against fundamental civil rights.

VERBATIM (emphasis added):

18 USC § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d) , whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to-

(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;

(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

Please also note (again, verbatim, emphasis added):

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.

Various "brains" have tried to argue that the words don't mean what they say -- ["Well, what does 'lawful purposes' mean?" Well, "When interpreting law, first look to the plain meaning of the words -- the solidly established routine rule of judicial interpretation.") The lawful carrying of firearms for lawful purposes is not banned in Federal facilities by federal statute. It may be banned by bureaucrats, a corrupt judiciary, maverick prosecutors, criminal judges, judicial activism, bad-attitude officers, ignorant armed guards, anti-rights bigots or bottom feeding maggots, but it is not banned by the statute enacted by our representatives. It is not banned by the law, in this nation of laws.

Here are two more laws to consider (in pertinent part and plain English, also with "brains" who will tell you the laws don't mean what they say):

18 USC §241:

If two or more people conspire to injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate any person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured under the Constitution or laws of the United States, they shall be fined, or imprisoned up to ten years, or both... If death results from such acts, or if such acts include kidnapping, attempted kidnapping, aggravated sexual assault, attempted aggravated sexual assault, or an attempt to kill, they may be fined, imprisoned for any term of years up to life, or put to death.

18 USC §242:

Anyone who, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, custom or regulation, willfully deprives any person of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, shall be fined, or imprisoned for up to one year, or both... If bodily injury results, or if the violation includes the use or attempted or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosive or fire, the prison term rises to up to ten years. If death results, or if such acts include kidnapping, attempted kidnapping, aggravated sexual assault, attempted aggravated sexual assault, or an attempt to kill, the violator may be fined, imprisoned for any term of years up to life, or put to death.

See also 18 USC §1001 and 42 USC §1983.

Enforce the laws, against everyone equally. Imprison those who corruptly deny civil right under color of law. Possession of private property, absent any criminal mischief, is not a crime. Be tolerant -- allow one warning for federal agents who get it wrong, once.

Alan.


Alan Korwin

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